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Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 30 October 2018, 07:12
by delainefamily
Mathurin 'Charles' Leon LAINE. Born on 7 February, 1818 Etretat, Le Havre, Normandie, France and lived nearby in Ingouville on the Alabaster Coast. His mother, Berenice LAINE (daughter of Mathurin Lesne b.1757 and Margueritte Madeleine Salleneuve b.1766), married American whaling ship captain and master - Aza Bullard Casper in 1824, U.K. and again in 1828 in France. His registered Birth Certificate surname is LAINE, with ancestors of LESNE.

S. Mills. Adelaide, South Australia.

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 30 April 2019, 13:34
by crasy003
Hi S. Mills!

My name is Sara, and I am also a descendant of MCL DeLaine (he is my GGG Grandfather, a decedent of his 10th child, Arthur); and I am trying to trace him back too. The information you have is great, it's more than I know myself from my Grandma, and the DeLaine Family History Book (which we inherited after she died in 2009). I have hit a brick wall too when trying to establish MCL's French decedents, but I am studying at Flinders to be an Historical Archaeologist, so am taking any opportunities and tips to find new leads. I am going to some archive/family history search courses during May (History Month), and am planning to ask someone I know, who speaks French, to help me access the Le Havre Seine-Maritime archives. I will let you know if I can come up with any updates!

I would love to be able to add/update the DeLaine family book, as we have at least 9 new GGGG Grandchildren to add to the list since it was published in 2008!

Sorry I can't add anything new, but I thought you might be interested that my family is also looking for information on MCL!

Sara. :) :)

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 15 June 2019, 12:42
by teammisti
Hi All
My husbands family are from the Arthur Edward line of Mathurin Charles Leon Delaine.
I use the Ancestry.com as well as other sources and have found that as an 11year old Mathurin or as he is listed on the passenger list Charles Laine accompanied his mother Berenice and step father Asa Bullard Casper and half brothers and sisters to America, arriving in New York in 1829. His mother seems to have been unmarried at the time his birth was registered. She married Asa in England in 1824 they had four children and then had another marriage ceremony maybe civil in 1828 in France. Of course this is what I think from what ive found, I'm open to other interpretations. I can't find anything further regarding the family in the US. The Mythology within the family has led me to believe that Mathurin was on the French whaling ship the Mississippi when it called int Pt Lincoln for supplies in 1839 .It was the first foreign ship to call into that port so there are newspaper reports of the event. The ship left then returned to try to locate two crew who jumped ship. No documentation as to what they found when they returned, but family mythology is that Mathurin jumped ship with the cook. My husband always thought it was Pt Adelaide but apparently at the time he is supposed to have jumped ship there was no Pt Adelaide. Your information regarding LESNE is new to me, I'll start looking for that on Ancestry. I certainly cant say what I have written is definative but the passenger list clearly indicates the details I have outlined. Frustrating to get a dead end in the US.
Looking forward to sharing information !
Cheers
Sandy

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 15 June 2019, 14:28
by delainefamily
Hi Sandy. I guess you are a relation of Sara, who I spoke with when I was in Paris recently, as you both are descendants of Arthur. Is that correct? I am a great granddaughter of Caroline De Laine - Mathurin and Jane's first child, and granddaughter of her son Alfred. The information about the family in US is fascinating. There have been many theories in the past about a connection of some type to America. Casper's family were American and I have details of them, so perhaps it was a trip to meet his family. Over the past year I have collating a huge amount of information and records of Mathurin, his family in France and distant ancestors, tracing back through both his grandfather and grandmother's families. As his mother Berenice Laine never married prior to her marriage with Aza, as you said, she retained the Laine name. On records, her father's name is spelt Lesne. Spelling of names did tend to vary in those times. I have just returned from Europe and visited very special places of our extensive ancestors' family histories. If you have a look on Familypedia under Mathurin's name you will see some updated information which I added in the past, but also some I did this week. But there is a lot more also. I will contact you via a message.
Susan Mills.

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 15 June 2019, 14:37
by teammisti
Thankyou for the reply I will followup and view your information. I dont believe I know Sara but Arthur had 7 children. My husband is from the Reginal Reeves line. Its so interesting and I get side tracked trying to do both his family and then mine. I have been searching this site tonight but as I dont have a subscription its quite limited but at least I've made contact with you and Sara. Certainly knowing to look now using Lesne is helping too. Looking forward to chatting again. SANDY

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 04 July 2019, 12:51
by susank2
Hi I am the eldest daughter of Norman William Louis de Laine. I have the de Laine family history book which has a few gaps. I would like to catch up with some of my cousins.

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 04 July 2019, 13:23
by teammisti
Hi
Which of Mathurins children is your fathers line part of? As in my previous post, my husband is from the Arthur Edward line. We are in Adelaide. Ian is one of 5 sons of Jean and Colin DeLaine.

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 04 July 2019, 15:06
by nicolet19
Hi All,
It's been a few years since I've looked into the Mathurin line (and stumbled here by chance) so pleased much more has now been verified to fill in the gaps.
I'm a 4th descendant of Arthur Edward via Verna (GGG Granddaughter of Mathurin). Also in Adelaide, there seem to be so many of us out there!
Will be interested to follow this information further.
Nicole

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 04 July 2019, 15:21
by teammisti
Hi Nicole

I certainly remember Ians mum and dad talking about Aunty Verna when they were alive.
Since I've been looking at family trees both mine and Ians I've realised we should have asked more questions when the older generations were alive. I use Ancestry.com but it is still limited in what it provides. This forum has provided access to other branches which is great. Looking forward to hearing from all those in this thread.
Cheers
Sandy

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 05 July 2019, 05:52
by susank2
Hi Teammisti
My great grandfather was William Casper. Evidently he was still alive when my brother Peter was born (he will be 70 this year) and Mum was disappointed when they didn't take a photo of 4 generations. Norman Louis was my grandfather and he died when I was about 5.

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 20 July 2019, 15:11
by rexdel
Hi to all in this thread, how exciting is this to finally have some of the folklore stories verified about MCL De Laine along with a few new surprises. I have burnt many a night hour trying to fathom his mysteries and thanks to very recent media digitisation and keen research, some of the stories related by my father Wilfred Arthur De Laine (son of Arthur Edward) can now be supported - some still not. From your posts I would apparently be a first cousin to Susan Mills and second cousin to Sara,Nicole and Teammisti. Sandy and I have been comparing notes together here in Adelaide.
PS - I remember staying with and visiting Aunty Verna and Uncle Ray when I was young.
Please keep in touch
Regards, Rex De Laine

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 21 July 2019, 02:59
by susank2
Hi Rex
Do you live in South Australia and do you have the De Laine history book?

I have found a lot more information on Wikitree. Evidently MCL de Laine was born Laine. Have a look.

Cheers
Susan Kroehn (nee de Laine)

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 21 July 2019, 03:29
by teammisti
Hi Susan K
I believe Susan Mills has the best information that may be what is on the Wiki site. She has been to France and researched in great details. Looking forward to more updates. See her posts above.
Sandy Delaine wife of Ian great grandson of Arhur Edward.

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 21 July 2019, 05:45
by delainefamily
Hi everyone on these posts. It's great to make our connections on Geneanet from early queries which have led me to uncover some exciting facts. Some of the answers to our adventurous Mathurin's life led me on a magical mystery tour recently, and to visit many places where are ancestors lived was such a thrill. After my surprise contact when I was in Paris from Sara in Adelaide we chatted about catching up when I came home. Since then this Geneanet thread has grown. I am wondering if we could organise a group get- together for those interested. I am in Adelaide. There is still more to share about our mystery man. I will shortly publish what I know but at present thinking about the most effective way.
Susan Mills.

Re: Mathurin Charles Leon LAINE

Posted: 21 July 2019, 11:10
by rexdel
Thanks Susan k, yes I do have a copy of the book and Susan Mills would love to catch up, we live at Port Noarlunga South but would be happy to meet wherever. What a journey you’ve had from all accounts .
Regards,
Rex De Laine