Recherche enfants second mariage

[choucoune87]

Bonjour, ma grand mère est née sans père et était fille unique. Sa mère s'est remarié quelques mois après sa naissance et a eu d'autres enfants, 2 d'après ce que j'en sais. Elle s'appelait Agnes Freidl après ce mariage, née Kampel, marié à Alois Freidl en 1922 à Vienne en Autriche. D'après ma mère les enfants se nommaient Herbert, Poldi (surnom de Léopold ou leopoldine ?) et une fille élevée par mon arrière grand mère, Trudi (je pense également à un surnom de Gretrud). Mon problème est que les fichiers matricula correspondants ne sont pas accessibles (détruits?) et que je n'ai pas les dates de naissances, seulement des souvenirs pas très frais de mes parents. Quelqu'un pour m'aiguiller ?

[mariepaulek]

bonjour,
le couple s'étant marié en 1922, Herbert pourrait être né en 1935, décédé en 1989, en admettant que ce soit leur fils
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=herbert&q.givenName.exact=on&q.surname=freidl&q.surname.exact=on&count=20&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&
m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on

et Leopold né en 1938, décédé en 1994
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=leopold&q.givenName.exact=on&q.surname=freidl&q.surname.exact=on&count=20&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on

Gertrud
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=gertrud&q.givenName.exact=on&q.surname=freidl&q.surname.exact=on&count=50&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on

trouvé un Alois Freidl, décédé en 1973
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=alois&q.givenName.exact=on&q.surname=freidl&q.surname.exact=on&count=20&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on

A vous de voir si ces individus vous concernent.
Cdt.
Marie-Paule

[jungleland]

Hello,

the retention period in Austria for the register books are
Birth and baptism registers: 100 years
Marriage registers: 75 years
Death registers: 30 years

For information on entries within the retention period and generally for entries from 1939 onwards, you must contact the registry offices of the respective communities.

Since you have not indicated any sources in your family tree for the individual persons, I do not know what information you have already found and which you are still looking for.

I have found the entry of the marriage of Freidl Alois and Kampel Agnes from 01.10.1922.
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/graz-seckau/graz-dom/1088/?pg=181

In it is noted that this marriage was divorced on 14.04.1961 and Kampel Agnes married Johann Sosliber on 29.05.1961.

There is also (on the left side) the following note: "7. Kind Erich Wien Brigittenau 4 No. 2492/40".
This means that in 1940 Erich was born as the seventh child of Freidl Alois and Kampel Agnes.

If you need help at the parish matriculates before the retention period, let me know.

Best regards from Vienna.
jungleland

[choucoune87]

Merci de vos réponses. Je recherche deux frères, Herbert et Poldi ?. Mais je ne pensais pas qu'ils étaient 7 frères et soeurs. J'ai peu d'informations et les souvenirs s'effacent. Ma grand mère est de 1922, le mariage aussi, donc je recherche après mais je n'ai que des noms et surnom, pas de date...


Thank you for your answers. I am looking for two brothers, Herbert and Poldi ?. But I didn't think they were 7 siblings. I have little information and the memories are fading. My grandmother is from 1922, the marriage too, so I'm looking after but I only have names and nicknames, no date ...

[jungleland]

Hello,
as the matrices are still closed, it is very difficult to find anything about people born after 1920.

What I have found so far to the names Kampel and Freidl is this:

The no longer existing grave of
Sosliber Agnes burial 24.04.1974, age 71
Soslieber Johann, burial 11.03.1968, age 59
Freidl Alois, burial 08.02.1973, age 85
Stammersdorf Central Cemetery, Group 29, Row 20, Number 18

Then there are the following graves in Vienna with the name Freidl
https://www.friedhoefewien.at/grabsuche?submitHidden=true&name=Freidl&friedhof=-1&jdb_von=&jdb_bis=&historischerGrab=false&latitudeWGS84_y=&longitudeWGS84_x=

And I found the following entries in the parish registers.

Alois Freidl, born 14.06.1888, Parish Schwanberg, Steiermark, Parents Johann Freidl and Barbara Theißl
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/graz-seckau/schwanberg/1347/?pg=166
With the note of the marriage to Agnes Kampel

Marriage Simon Kampel and Maria Knauss 24.11.1901, Parish Graz-Karlau, Steiermark
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/graz-seckau/graz-karlau/970/?pg=245

Their children (all baptismal entries in the parish Graz-Karlau, Steiermark)
Constantia Kampel, born 11.01.1900
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/graz-seckau/graz-karlau/890/?pg=319

Maria Kampel, born 22.08.1901
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/graz-seckau/graz-karlau/890/?pg=374

Agnes Francisca Kampel, born 11.1.1903
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/graz-seckau/graz-karlau/903/?pg=20
With the note of the first marriage to Alois Freidl and the note of the second marriage to Johann Sosliber.

Stephanie Kampel, born 27.11.1905
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/graz-seckau/graz-karlau/903/?pg=108
With the note of the marriage with Karl Harwarth

Karl Kampel, born 13.06.1907
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/graz-seckau/graz-karlau/903/?pg=157

I will try to find more information.

Best regards from Vienna.
jungleland